May 21, 2004

Extracting water from the air Gizmo

Posted by tourdemars to Technology at May 21, 2004 04:16 PM

Without water, humans cannot live. Since time began, we have lived by the water and vast tracts of waterless land have been abandoned as too difficult to inhabit. A new machine which extracts water from air could change that …
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humidifiers/dehumidifiers have been on the market for home use for a while. A solar powered dehumidifier (don't actually know if that exists) would be an interesting application of the technology in arid climates. From the map within the article, parts of Africa, India, and Austrialia would benefit from the technology.

Posted by: JWeikle at May 22, 2004 07:07 AM

How well would one work on the ISS where it makes sense to have one. Or does it already haveone.

Posted by: Harold LaValley at May 22, 2004 06:45 PM

Now here is a thought, because we need oxygen and fuel based material in space. Create a giant ion or gas collector in LEO or further out into space. Another way would be from the LEO aboard the ISS, send down a syphoning tube to suck up what is needed from the outer atmosphere and process it as needed

Posted by: Harold LaValley at May 23, 2004 07:48 PM

Hum.

Or why not use an atomic accelerator?

Instead of whirling hydrogen atoms around in an accelerator and smashing them to understand (important stuff like meuons, quarks, etc), the needed water supplies could be accelerated over to Mars or Venus, even at half the speed of light.

Just think, lowering the Earths oceans by a 700 feet--out to the contiental shelf--will open up vast tracks of land on the Earth for people to live and farm.

The accelerate ocean water would make a big splash on Mars or Venus. The atmosphere on Venus might just condense and then become a viable planet too.

What other application can those 'super colliders and accelerators' provide? Hummmm.

Posted by: JWeikle at May 24, 2004 12:05 PM

Can we achieve escape velocity with a whole water molecule?
Definetly an out of the box idea a welcomed thought.

Posted by: Harold LaValley at May 24, 2004 12:33 PM

JWeikle: I guess the next step is if we can get it to work on earth would be to place one in Low Jupiter or Saturn orbit for either concept idea.

Posted by: Harold LaValley at May 24, 2004 01:24 PM

Hey Harold!
Since the hydrogen atom is accelerated to the speed of light and smashed to study protons, neutrons, meuons, and quarks. This is accomplished in a very finely defined particle field, why not accelerate a water molecule out of Earth's gravity field?

Here is the equations:
Escape velocity is defined to be the minimum velocity an object must have in order to escape the gravitational field of the earth, that is, escape the earth without ever falling back.

The object must have greater energy than its gravitational binding energy to escape the earth's gravitational field. So:

1/2 mv2 = GMm/R

Where m is the mass of the object, M mass of the earth, G is the gravitational constant, R is the radius of the earth, and v is the escape velocity. It simplifies to:

v = sqrt(2GM/R)

or

v = sqrt(2gR)

Where g is acceleration of gravity on the earth's surface.

The value evaluates to be approximately:

11100 m/s
40200 km/h
25000 mi/h


So, an object which has this velocity at the surface of the earth, will totally escape the earth's gravitational field (ignoring the losses due to the atmosphere.)

So a magnetic field space based "gas pipeline" to Mars or Venus, could eventually lower the oceans by 700 feet or so.

Strange things have been suggested, so why not. Hey, it could be a massive governmental funded project that would but millions of individuals back to work and help Bush win the election!

SMASH ATOMS or Create Oceans on Mars, where do yo want your tax dollars?

Hummmmmmmm.....Mars!

Posted by: JWeikle at May 24, 2004 01:34 PM

To hit the Mars target one only needs then to calculate time diferential of Earth's distance to Mars at any giving second in order to aim this valueable resource to it's intended target. Sounds like it would work to me. Only problem I for see is how to precisely make this aiming system flexible at the end in order to send the hydrogen or water molecule on its way since coliders are rather solid and fixed in location.

Posted by: Harold LaValley at May 24, 2004 07:36 PM

JWeikle: another thought to the solution if water is transported to LEO and then placed into an accelerator. Then the system can be very solid also pointed by you standard gyro, retro rocket stabalizers systems.

Posted by: Harold LaValley at May 24, 2004 07:42 PM

Guys, what about breakdown? We are talking about shooting water molecules at Mars right? Doesn't the high energy particles that the sun emits breakdown water into O2 and H?

Posted by: Zach at May 25, 2004 05:39 AM

Lets say we know the distance that the break down happens at. Create a big collector (from near the start of this blog) for capturing the hydrogen and the oxygen ions at that distance, recombine them and resend them on there merry way to mars.

Posted by: Harold LaValley at May 25, 2004 06:16 AM

Serious thought on the potential probability.
Humm..,
Remember the atomic weight of a water molecule is the weight of 2 hydrogen atoms + the oxygen atom. The molecule is then placed into an accelerator that travels around a path until it approaches nearly the speed of light, then instead of smashing the molecule, the molecule is ejected out of the accelerator and directed towards Mars. Accounting for the time delay, or the distant between Earth and Mars, at the given moment in time, the molecule should impact upon the surface of Mars. Remember, that the molecule is being accelerated to near the speed of light. Now, if one molecule can be accelerated, in the particle accelerators magnet induced field, why not a mole or even a stream of water molecules?
Therefore, inside the accelerator's magnet induced field, millions of molecules are being accelerated and then ejected (escape velocity) off the Earth and towards Mars.

Posted by: JWeikle at May 25, 2004 10:22 AM